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Are You a 'Jehovah's Witness'?

Sources Include: Evert, Various

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* Do you reject Jesus' divinity? Click here

* Do you reject the Trinity? Click here

* Do you reject the concept of an eternal hell? Click here

* Do you believe there was a 'great apostasy' in the early Church? Click here

* How is it that Jehovah's Witnesses can so scorn "organized religion", yet have such an "organized religion" themselves?

* How can it not bother you that the word "Jehovah" is not God's name (which is Yahweh), but is based on a known mistranslation? Whose 'witnesses' are you then? Considering that one of the Ten Commandments is dedicated to God's name, should you not reject the practice of using an erroneous term as His name?

* Are you aware of how much the Jehovah's Witnesses 'modern bible translation' has been corrupted? And that its errors have been rejected even by protestant 'biblical scholars'? Are you unaware that those involved in translation were without the knowledge to even attempt such a challenging undertaking (e.g. they didn't even know all the languages used in the bible)? Are you unaware that its various mistranslations are considered intentional? That they serve to support Jehovah's Witnesses own doctrine rather than faithfully translate God's word?

* If your religion is true, why has it issued numerous false predictions regarding the end of the world? Remember that Scripture says, "If you say to yourselves, 'How can we recognize an oracle which the LORD has spoken?', know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the LORD did not speak." (Deut. 18:21-22)

* Does it not bother your that your faith traces to Charles Taze Russell, a man who lied (e.g. over 'Miracle wheat'), perjured himself (e.g. over his knowledge of the Greek language) and who was found to have mistreated his wife? Why is it your own religion tends to 'shy away' from his original teachings?

* Why is it you limit heaven to 144,000, based on one passage of Scripture, without taking the rest of Scripture into account? Can you not see that Scripture speaks symbolically of the 144,000 and not literally, especially considering that that Rv. 7:9 speaks of "a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue" being in heaven? Why is it that your idea of heaven includes only celibate male Jews and no women? Based on your own claims, how do you suppose any Jehovah's Witnesses would ever have made it to heaven (unless they were celibate male Jews)? Do you really imagine that the all-powerful God closed the doors of heaven many years ago because it was "full"? That those born after a certain time didn't even have a chance? Furthermore, how is it you can claim that those from the Old Testament are excluded from heaven? How can you exclude Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Abraham...?

* Why do you deny an eternal Hell when Scripture clearly speaks of it? Is it because you don't want to believe this hard truth that Jesus so clearly taught?

* How do you deny that a man's soul lives after death? How do you explain the fact that Scripture clearly speaks of the souls of the martyrs being in heaven (see Rv. 6:9-11, Rv. 20:4)? Or that Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration (see Mt. 17:3, Mk. 9:4, Lk. 9:30)? Or that Jesus told a parable about a deceased man attempting to intercede for his family (see Lk. 16:27-31)?

* How can you claim that Jesus' second coming already happened 'invisibly' when Scripture says that it will be visible (e.g. Mt. 24:27, Mt. 24:30, Mk. 13:26, Lk. 21:27, 1 Thes. 4:16, Rv. 1:7)? Why does Christ instruct us to "Watch!" (see Mk. 13:32-37 ) if we wouldn't be able to see anything?

* How can you maintain that Jesus is really Michael the Archangel despite Scripture's clear teaching to the contrary (esp. Heb. 1:5)? [Note: Click here for more on the divinity of Christ]

* How can you doubt the bodily resurrection of Christ in light of the clear teaching of 1 Cor. 15:17 (not to mention all the other references to this most important fact that Christianity itself hinges on!)?

* Why does your sect fail to spend much effort on inculcating Christian virtues? Jesus thought it was important to extol these things, yet the Jehovah's Witnesses think they should be seldom (if ever) mentioned?

* Why is it you want to appear to know Scripture, but in reality may know only a few memorized phrases?

* If your doctrines are true, why have they changed over time?

* How is it you are so friendly to potential converts but then so harshly shun your own members who are 'off the path'?

* Why do you permit potential converts to ask questions, but not want your own members to ask questions?

* If your religion was true, why is it that you must "hide" certain tenets of your faith until people are "prepared" to hear them [e.g. that Jesus is really Michael, the archangel(!), that only 144,000 will go to heaven, that Jesus' body did not rise from the dead, etc.]? If you religion was true, why do you spend more time attempting to discredit other religions than speaking of your own? Why do you tend to change the subject when you can't answer questions?

* Why has it been charged that most of your converts appear to be those who are "ignorant" in matters of religion or who never knew their own faith well? If your religion was true, why can you (generally) not make converts of those who are knowledgeable about their own faith? 

* Why is it you feel God is displeased with celebrating birthdays and other holidays? How can you explain the fact that the Old Testament shows that Jews celebrated various festivals (without God's displeasure!)? Where does Scripture explicitly condemn the celebrating of birthdays? Why do you so firmly associate Christian holidays with paganism, even without any proof to back up your claims? Even if a Christian holiday and a pagan observance did occur on the same day, it does not mean the two are the same!

* Why do you reject military service in light of the clear military character of so many events in the Old Testament which received God's approval? If it was wrong to be in the military, why does John the Baptist not condemn soldiers (see Lk. 3:14)? Why does Scripture elsewhere speak of soldiers without condemnation (e.g. 1 Cor. 9:7, 2 Tm. 2:4)?

* If wrong to receive blood, why does Jesus instruct His followers to drink His blood (cf. Jn. 6:53, Jn. 6:54, Jn. 6:56, 1 Cor. 11:25-11:29)?

* If great apostasy occurred early in the early Church, how then can you trust your own bible? Do you not realize that the canon of Scripture was determined by the Catholic Church just before the year 400? How can you claim that the Church apostatized on one hand (despite Christ's promise in Mt. 16:18), and on the other hand rely on its judgment to determine the bible that you use?

Are You a Mormon?

Sources Include: Bennett, Various

Consider:

* Do you believe there was a 'great apostasy' in the early Church? Click here

* How can you claim your religion is true considering all the false prophecies of your 'church' (including those of Joseph Smith)? Remember that Scripture says, "If you say to yourselves, 'How can we recognize an oracle which the LORD has spoken?', know that, even though a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if his oracle is not fulfilled or verified, it is an oracle which the LORD did not speak." (Deut. 18:21-22)

* Where did you get the idea that there was to be continuing revelation? Certainly this does not come from Scripture which discusses handing on what was already received (e.g. 1 Cor. 11:23, 1 Cor. 15:3).

* How can you maintain that there is a plurality of Gods, when Scripture is clear that there is only one God (e.g. Deut. 4:35, Deut. 32:39, 2 Sam. 7:22, Isa. 44:6-8, Jn. 17:3, 1 Tm. 1:17, 1 Tm. 2:5, Jude 1:24-25)?

* Why do you require marriage to enter the highest kingdom when St. Paul and Jesus both recommended celibacy (see Mt. 19:12, 1 Cor. 7:8, 1 Cor. 7:32-38)? Why do you also not think marriage ends at death, considering what scripture says (see Mt. 22:30, Mk. 12:25, Lk. 20:34-5, Rom. 7:2-3)?

* Why do you believe God the Father has a material body when God is a spirit (cf. Jn. 4:24, Lk. 24:39)? Are you unaware that Scripture frequently uses symbolism to convey truth (e.g. God's mighty "arm" may be used to convey strength - but such terminology doesn't mean God literally has an arm!)?

* How can you dare to claim that God was once 'not God', but progressed His way up to being God?! Do you not see how this is contrary to Scripture (e.g. Gen. 21:33, Ps. 90:2, Isa. 40:28, Hab. 1:12, Tm. 6:16)? How can the eternal God not have been God from all eternity?! How can Scripture speak of an unchangeable God if God has changed (e.g. Ps. 102:26-28, Sirach 42:18-22, Isa. 46:4, Mal. 3:6, Jms. 1:16-17)?

* How can you honestly believe you are "advancing to godhood"? Does that not sound like the very same line that Satan presented to Adam & Eve in Gen. 3:5?

* How can you assert that 'tithing' is so important to progressing to one's "godhead"? Why does Scripture not support these necessary payments to the 'church' to become a "god'?

* How can you claim to have the Aaronic priesthood when this priesthood is limited to descendants of Aaron? Why do you even claim to have a priesthood at all since a priesthood is precisely for offering sacrifice, of which you have none? Further, why do you claim to hold a priesthood that was ended by Christ (see Heb. 7:12)?

* Why is it that your 'church' has held such negative (and untruthful!) opinions of persons of color?

* Why do you tolerate divorce, in direct contrast to Christ's teaching (see Mt. 5:32, Mt. 19:9, Mk. 10:7-9, Mk. 10:11-12, Lk. 16:18)?

* Why would it be necessary to refrain from alcohol considering that Scripture doesn't condemn - and, in fact, directly prescribes - the drinking of alcohol (in moderation, of course)? For example, consider the following passages of Scripture:

Gen.27:28: May God give to you of the dew of the heavens And of the fertility of the earth abundance of grain and wine.

PS. 104:14-15: You raise grass for the cattle and plants for our beasts of burden. You bring bread from the earth, and wine to gladden our hearts, Oil to make our faces gleam, food to build our strength.

Prov. 31:6 Give strong drink to one who is perishing, and wine to the sorely depressed [Note: Consult a competent physician regarding the appropriate application of this passage in any given case.]

Sirach 31:27: Wine is very life to man if taken in moderation. Does he really live who lacks the wine which was created for his joy?

Isa. 62:8-9: The LORD has sworn by his right hand and by his mighty arm: No more will I give your grain as food to your enemies; Nor shall foreigners drink your wine, for which you toiled. But you who harvest the grain shall eat it, and you shall praise the LORD; You who gather the grapes shall drink the wine in the courts of my sanctuary.

Joel 2:19: The LORD answered and said to his people: See, I will send you grain, and wine, and oil, and you shall be filled with them; No more will I make you a reproach among the nations.

1 Tm. 5:23: Stop drinking only water, but have a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent illnesses. [Note: Consult a competent physician regarding the appropriate application of this passage in any given case.]

Further, if alcohol was prohibited, why did Christ miraculously turn water into wine as his first public miracle (Jn. 2:1-11)? Why did he institute the Eucharist under the form of bread and wine for his followers (se Mt. 26:26-29)?

* How can anyone think original sin was necessary - in fact, even think it a positive good? How could it ever be a 'good' to disobey a command of God?

* Why do Mormons engage in so much genealogical work when this is condemned in Scripture? For example, consider that Scripture says...

1 Tm. 1:3-4: I repeat the request I made of you when I was on my way to Macedonia, that you stay in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to teach false doctrines or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith.

Ti. 3:9: Avoid foolish arguments, genealogies, rivalries, and quarrels about the law, for they are useless and futile.

Why do you insist on "proxy baptism" when Scripture never says one can be baptized for another? [Note that "having (oneself) baptized for the dead (see 1 Cor. 15:29), does not refer to "proxy baptism" - a practice unknown before Mormonism - but may be better said to refer to the hope of being reunited with Christians who have already died.] As Scripture says, "it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment" (Heb. 9:27). Scripture never speaks of the dead waiting around waiting for a "proxy baptism". Rather, as St. Francis de Sales explains, "This passage properly understood evidently shows that it was the custom of the primitive Church to watch, pray, fast, for the souls of the departed. For, firstly, in the Scriptures to be baptized is often taken for afflictions and penances (e.g. Lk. 12:50, Mk. 10:38-40)". Clearly, the pouring of baptismal water can only affect the person it touches - no one - living or dead - can receive graces "by proxy"! 

* Why have Mormon writings (supposedly written before the New Testament) been charged with containing 'plagiarisms' from the New Testament?

* How can you take the claim of the "golden plates" seriously when it can not be authenticated by any unbiased sources? What if someone claimed to have "golden plates" that denied the Mormon's golden plates but couldn't produce any unbiased evidence of this - would you believe them? Since when does God permit something of such 'importance' to mankind to be hidden without even being independently authenticated?

* Why does archeological evidence not support Mormon claims concerning ancient settlers in the New World (contrary to Mormon assertions regarding archeological evidence)?

* Why do supposedly ancient Mormon writings reference various items as existing in the New World even though they weren't introduced here until later (e.g. elephants)?

* Why have various Mormon teachings contradicted themselves over time (e.g. polygamy)? How are we to imagine that the unchangeable God has changed?

* How can one take a religion seriously when its dogmas are subject to change over time?

* If your religion was true, why is it that you must "hide" certain tenets of your faith until people are "prepared" to hear them [e.g. how you claim Christ was conceived, that you believe in a plurality of gods, that you believe Christ and Lucifer were brothers(!), that Adam was really Michael (the archangel), that Christ had to "progress to the godhead", etc.]?

* Why is it your religion seems to attempt conversions by appealing to people's emotions rather than considering theology?

* Why do you seem to decide what is true based on your feelings? Would you also employ such feelings-based judgments when it comes to other matters involving truth - e.g. Mathematics?

* How do you explain the bad actions of your 'founder', Joseph Smith (e.g. multiple cases of adultery, including with a teenager)?

* If great apostasy occurred early in the early Church, how then can you trust your own bible? Do you not realize that the canon of Scripture was determined by the Catholic Church just before the year 400? How can you claim that the Church apostatized on one hand (despite Christ's promise in Mt. 16:18), and on the other hand rely on its judgment to determine the bible that you use?

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